Newton

b:20Nov 1832 IN d:28Jan 1879 census1870:aged 37/39? b:IN in 1862 as member of New Hope Primitive Baptist Church, Greenbush IL in 1871, with wife, as members of Primitive Baptist Church,Ferris IL in 1870 Hancock County Federal Census family listed as at Rock Creek Township with post office Ferris IL
=:Lucinda b:15Feb1833 d:10 Jul1915 census1870::aged 37 b:IL

-->William

census1870: aged 18 b:IL b:27Dec1851 d:in a train wreck

-->James A

census1870: aged 18 b:IL b:23Mar1854 d:17Aug1873

-->Thomas Jefferson

d:1943 census1870: aged 14 b:IL [ex Sidney: b:5Feb1856 in Arkansas - source 'baby book' given to Thomas Charles Allsbury by his mother] [ex H.R.: b:5Feb1856 nr Carthage, Hancock County IL] [NB:his own statement of age in 1933 would put his birth between Oct1856 and Oct1857- probably one year out] in early life worked on a cattle ranch for an Ed HALL near Venita OK also hauled logs for a saw mill in AR bought a farm nr Alba MO in 1890 and lived there till death in 1943
=:Parlee [or Pearle] YORK b: 9Oct1859 IL m:20Oct1880 [52nd anniversary Friday20Oct1933 newspaper clipping - which gives ages then as 76 and 73] d:May1937

---->Claude

b:26Nov1882 [H.R. wrongly has 1908] d:Jul1976 SSDI:KS Methodist minister in MO and KS
=:Myrtle HENLEY b:6Mar1890 d:Jun1979 SSDI:KS

------->Frederick

b:22May1908 d:29Oct1989 KS realtor SSDI:KS
=:Dorothy DELONG b:23Aug1910 d:Dec1985 SSDI:KS

------->Carl C

b:10Aug1912 d:22Jan1987 res: 103 N Robin Rd, Wichita,KS (ex phones) SSDI:
=:Geneve SMITH b:26Jan1915 Protection KS m:15Aug1940 music teacher

------->John Wesley

bombardier WWII res: Wichita KS res: Wichita KS (ex phones)
=:?

------->Reba

b:4Mar1910 res: Topeka KS teacher
=:Alvin JONES b:1909 m:1934

---->Roy

Methodist minister in MO and KS
=:Maude

------->Laura

=:Godfrey LUNGRIN [des.] res: Salina KS

---->Charles Ambert

b:22Jan1885 nr Alba MO d:29Apr1959 res: always lived in or near Alba Jasper County MO res: Jasper County MO incl Webb City, Carterville, Carthage
=:Elsie May TAYLOR b:31May1887 in Oronogo, Jasper County, MO d:Jul1969 dau of Thomas C Taylor (Private in Federal Army during US Civil War) and of Elleanor Wierman Taylor - her second marriage - EWT had 2daus by 1st marr and TCT and EWT had two daughters.

------->Mary Ruth

b:13Jan1910 nr Alba MO d:27Feb1970 [H.R. has d:28Apr1970]
=:Phinis WHISNER

------->Robert Thomas

b:10Nov1912 nr Alba (in same house as Ruth 1mile E then 1mile S of Alba) MO res: Carterville MO res: 200 E Wilson St, Carterville Mo (ex phones)
=:Olive L McFARLAND b:16May1912 m:15July1933

------->Helen Frances

b:15Feb1915 nr Alba MO (?c1.5 mile S of Ala on W side of road) ?may have died c1993-1994?
=:Frank PUTMAN div: after short time
=:Edward ROLF

------->Raymond Charles

b:6Oct1917 Alba MO res: Carthage MO ret Herculese Powder Company; WWII res: 1012 W Central Ave, Carthage MO (ex phones)
=:Helen Lucille MEVEY (elsewhere McVey) b:2Jun1920 N of Carthage MO d:10.23 pm Sat 27Jan1996 aged 75 after short illness member of Fairview Christian Church, Carthage - pianist and nursery attendant m: 1Jun1947 in Carthage MO has brother Benny Mevey fl1996 Wichita KS and sisters Dorothy Youngblood at Carthage, Jean Kelly at Wheaton and Mary Lisher (d: 1Jan1996) of Lamar

------->George (Jake) Owen

b:6Jun1920 d:Jul1964 bur: in Taylor family plot in Percell, MO (nr Alba) moved to Salt Lake City on 2nd marriage
=:Mary Ann BOYER b:15Apr1921 Verndale, Minnesota (div)
=:Lorene HANDLEY b:5Mar1904 d:18Jan1988 SSDI:

------->Alice Irene

b:20Jan1923 Alba MO
=:Elzo T PIERCE

------->James Leroy (Jimmie Lee)

b:30Sep1927 Alba MO d:17Aug1977 SSDI:
=:

------->Wallace Rollin

b:4Aug1925 Alba d:4Aug1927 [H.R. has b:2Aug1927 d:2Aug1929 SRA agrees that HR is wrong]

-->Mary Jane

census1870: aged 12 b:IL b:19Dec1857

-->Charles

census1870: aged 10 b:IL b:29Oct1859

-->John David

census1870: aged 8 b:IL b:13Sep1861 d:1929 Wathena KS
=:Eva Mae GUNN b:17Oct1869 d:15Oct1940 St Joseph MO

---->Charles

?SSDI:1887-1969 TX ?

---->Truman

=:Beulah

------->Henry

d:

---->Henry N

b: Gravette AR res: St Joseph MO from 1923 / Bentonville Route 1 AR d: Veteran's Hospital Fayetteville AR aged 67 funeral service at Centerton Baptist Church, burial in Memorial Gardens Cemetery
=:Minnie B b:27Dec1894 d:Jun1978 SSDI:

------->Nelson E

res:St Joseph res: 2511 N 7th St, Saint Joseph MO (ex phones)

------->Gwendolyn

res: Grand Rapids MI
=:Louis SIMPSON

------->Evelyn

res: Kansas City KS
=:William ELLIOTT

------->Leola

res: Denver CO
=:Harold COLLIER

------->Norma

res:Escondivo CA
=:Kenneth BOWSIN

---->Minnie

=:Clifford BLACK

---->Ray

d:

---->Elzea Leroy

b:14Jan1900 Gravette AR d:Apr1981 St Joseph MO res:Rocky Ford CO SSDI:(Elza)
=:Catherine McCAN
=:Clara Regina GAWATZ d:

------->John Charles

d: res:Santa Ana CA
=:Jane
=:Ruth

------->Patricia =:Donald MENDENHALL

------->Elza LeRoy Jr b:1937 res:St Joseph MO res: 423 Highland Mws, Saint Joseph MO (ex phones) =:Karen MYERS

------->Thomas Owens =:Mary Frances

---->Robbie Fern res: Bentonville AR =:Ova SOUTER

------->Ellen Mae

res: Wichita, KS (ex phones)
=:Joe JEFFERSON

------->John Bryan

=:Ozelle

------->Kenneth

=:Mary Ruth

------->Beulah

=:Lynn BROWN

------->Helen

=:Franklin MILLER

------->Charles

------->Opal

---->Claude A

b:1904 d:1925

---->Eva Mae

res: Long Beach CA
=:Donald VAN METER

---->Audy

b:8May1911 d:May1977 res: MO / El Monte CA SSDI:
=:Marie

------->John

------->Rebecca

---->an infant

-->Sarah Ann

census1870: aged 6 b:IL b:20Nov1863

-->Alfred [Alpherd]

census1870: aged 4 b:KS b:23Nov1866 d:15Feb1901

-->Emma Mary

b28Nov1872

There are a number of those included in the Social Security and Telephone records whom I have not related to the above - further research is still needed as regards these and other branches of the family.

How may this family relate to the family of Charles Alsbury (1771-1858) ?

Consider the following:

1. David or John David Alsbury born c 1825-30 site unknown. The name David supplied by LeRoy Allsbury of St Joseph MO as being his father's (Elza LeRoy) recollection of E.L's grandfather's name. The same source gives David's wife as Nancy nee Paden, and E.L's uncles as including Bill, Charles and Tom. N.B.:- E.L's father was named John David.
2. Bill, Charles, Tom and John David are all included in the information from Raymond Allsbury of Carthage MO, with details of births and deaths. Their parents are given as Newton and Lucinda. Raymond also reports hearing something about this couple and being brother and sister, which is unconfirmed - and impossible given their alleged dates of birth!
3. Lucinda and Newton are listed, with the relevant children on the 1870 Census for Hancock County IL, and in the records of local Baptist churches between 1862 and 1871.
4. From LeRoy Allsbury's information we have David born in 1825, married to Nancy Paden before 1851. According to Helen Renner they had a son born on 5Feb1856 near Carthage in Hancock County IL. Mary died near Gravette AR.
5. The various oral traditions handed down in these branches of the family are consistent with links to the original Virginia Alsbury's.
6. Thomas Alsbury, probable son of Charles (II), is listed on the 1830 Census of Morgan IN. The children listed by Helen Renner match the details given in the census records with the omission of one male aged 0-5 at the time of the census. The dates of birth of the other children force this child's date of birth to be between January 1824 and December 1828. There is also an age gap between the daughter Elizabeth b1829 and the son Levi b1835 in which it would be possible to locate another child born in IN or IL.
7. On the evidence available John David (b1825) and Newton (b1832) could well be the additional children of Thomas born in the periods indicated.
8. Thomas Jefferson's birth is given as 5Feb1856 by H.R. and as 7Feb1856 by Sidney Robert. Is there a real co-incidence with the date of birth for the son of David and Nancy ? The newspaper clipping giving details of T.J.'s 52yrs of marriage has to have been written in 1933 (for the 20th October to be a Friday), and yet it gives his age as 76.

   At the most extreme - is T.J. that son brought up by parents' brother and sister-in-law (hence the hearsay above) ? - could this be linked to the lack of information about David and Nancy (did they die young ?) - or are there two sons born to brothers on or about the same time who are quite distinct individuals. If this latter option is true, how did the LeRoy tradition evolve ?

   I am inclined to believe that it comes from the circumstance detailed below, where, in the family of which I believe John David and Newton were part, brother and sisters married brothers and sister from the STUFFLEBEAM family. Indeed, I am inclined to use the confused memory of brother and sister married as evidence that they were children of Thomas.

9. Thus, in view of the more detailed tradition with dates etc from Raymond's side of the family, which descends from T.J. directly, I believe that the weight of evidence at present is to accept the household as per his evidence and the census of 1870 as being children of Newton and Lucinda.

   At the same time, in the light of the above, I believe that we may presume to work on the basis that John David (b1825) and Newton (b1832) were members of the family of Thomas, son of Charles Alsbury

It is apparent that a few difficulties arise in relating the census record to the possible names. First we note that there are five females born between 1810 and 1820 who we have no names for.

As by 1820 Elizabeth was already married, and Sarah may well have been in Virginia where she was to marry the next year, I am confident that the rest of the female side fits together well.

Thomas and Charles(III) were also married by 1820, so the problems focus on the male child born between 1810 and 1820 according to the census, for which we have three possible names.

Of the three there is only convincing evidence for Alexander being a son of Charles(II). Given the doubts outlined by Helen Renner in her work, I believe that we should assume that Rev Charles Alsbury and Henry Alsbury belong elsewhere in the family - but where?

Another factor to be reckoned with is the figure of 13 children given for the size of Charles(II)'s family. With our assumption that Rev Charles and Henry are not to be counted there remain still some 16 children. It may be that 3 of the 5 females aged under 10 in 1820 did not live to adulthood - this would be consistent with our lack of names for these individuals.

The two principal lines of descent known are through Charles (1771-1858) and his probable brother Thomas Jr from whom the Texas Alsbury's originate. These are known not to have been the only members of their generation (cf H.R. p224) and I am, at present, moved to suggest that Rev Charles and Henry are sons of at least one other member of that generation, as yet unidentified.

In support of this suggestion I argue, by process of elimination, that there is no place in the known families into which they readily fit.

We have already indicated that they are not likely to be sons of Charles Alsbury. The summary of the family of Thomas Alsbury Jr in Helen Renner's work also leaves no room for them. The remaining known possibilities to consider are that they fit in the families of sons of Charles(II), but none of these; Charles, John or Thomas; appear likely in view of the evidence available.

I believe that the answer, if it can be found, may appear if more can be discovered of the family of which Charles Alsbury (1771-1858) and Thomas Jr were part, and of how, if at all, some of the 'stray' Allsbury's noted by Helen Renner (including those born outside the USA) relate to those of whom we know rather more. The Peter, Jonathan, Vincent and William noted by Helen Renner on p224 of her work , and perhaps the Jesse, thus all appear to be individuals whose lives are in need of further exploration.

This is an extract from what is very much a working document rather than a finished one and it depends heavily on the research of Helen Renner to whom I am grateful for letting me have a copy of her published work.

Any information, however small or trivial it may seem, which corrects or helps to confirm the suggestions I make will be welcome.

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